Anime.
Speaker 1:Hey, guys. Welcome to another episode of Anime Nokori. What is Anime Nokori, you ask? Well, it is what it what it sounds. Nokuri means left behind or AKA leftovers.
Speaker 1:And this is a show that we talk about anime that is from the beginning and the past. So once again, this is your boy, Davis Green.
Speaker 1:Hello. And I am Tiffany. And I'd like to kick you a question to start this episode.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You are seasoned Otaku. Correct?
Speaker 2:I I've been way I've been around the bush. Yeah. You got a couple
Speaker 1:of years under this.
Speaker 2:Okay. Cool. Cool. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1:So you are the perfect person to tell me why. Anime heroines from the past, let's say, like, in the late nineties, early two thousands, you let me know why they're such hot garbage.
Speaker 2:Why anime from the past that are hot garbage?
Speaker 1:Just the heroines. Just the female protagonists.
Speaker 2:Oh, the female protagonists? That's a good question.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. And you know what? We're gonna answer that today because today, the anime that we're talking about is Full Metal Panic.
Speaker 2:It's a good question. You know, it's funny that, that you, that you mentioned that, but, before we get, get this started, like as always, if you love what we're trying to do, we love to want you, the listeners and the viewers on our YouTube page and as well on any podcast services around the world to be a part of this. So if you like this content, do us a favor, like, follow, subscribe on our YouTube page, Anime No Kuri, and just type in what you think. We love your opinions as well on whatever we talk about. So comment down below.
Speaker 2:What do you think about our topic of the day, which is unfortunately, to her chagrin, Full Metal Panic. So, what is Full Metal Panic? Let's get a quick synopsis of it on
Speaker 1:I tell you exactly what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What it
Speaker 1:It's another it's another cotton variety standard issue mecha.
Speaker 2:Just like all
Speaker 1:the other standard issue mechas.
Speaker 2:Okay. Wait. Okay.
Speaker 1:Thank you. This has been Anime No Coin. That's a good night.
Speaker 2:Wait. Okay. So when you're saying a standard issue, like, do you when you see I know you don't like mechas. That's one thing.
Speaker 1:That is probably important for y'all to know. I do not I am not a mecha girl.
Speaker 2:Not a mecha fan.
Speaker 1:Yes. I know what you're thinking. You just haven't seen it. I probably have, and I still hate it. Right.
Speaker 1:But So I do we're gonna start the episode by getting me canceled. He's just like, okay. This works. Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2:You lost completely. You won't be sending me anymore probably. Yeah. We'll get a replacement. We'll just get we'll we'll find the we'll find someone else.
Speaker 2:We'll find something else. Who knows? Something.
Speaker 1:You're gonna come back and there's just gonna be a there's just like a body pillow in my seat.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like then it's like a VR it's just like a what's called a VTuber kind Yeah. Of It's like, okay, here we go. But but, you know, it's funny though. The whole thing with Full Male Panic is it's I like I'm kinda glad I went into you know what? We'll we'll hold this we'll hold off for a second.
Speaker 1:Let's find out what it
Speaker 2:is Okay. So first off, what is Full Metal Panic? The synopsis of Full Metal Panic. Well, first off, the series originally came out in 2002. It was made by the the creator of it was Shoji Geito, who was a who was also the creator of the another anime called Amagi Brilliant Park, which was somewhat of a same kind of situation Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it was a amusement park instead of a military thing. And, this was a this is a series that was during the time when anime was starting to kinda start, I wouldn't even say ramping up. It was like a time when anime was picking up more than it was in the nineties, but it was still there, you know.
Speaker 1:Kind of. I'm fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was it was still sparse pickings of what we got. Like, now we get, we're we're at the point where we're, like, we're simulcasting
Speaker 1:Oh, for what's coming now. We're spoiled for
Speaker 2:anime now.
Speaker 1:It's great. There's too much to watch nowadays.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because back back in 2002 was we had two different companies that was doing it. ADV Films and Funimation. Mhmm. And Funimation just started when Dragon Ball Z started picking up in '27.
Speaker 1:In the tsunami days when we're all come home from school and we're just
Speaker 2:to see hope that you catch your show. And if you didn't catch your show You just
Speaker 1:it came on, you just out of luck.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 1:God, it sound old. Yeah. No. No Cody, indeed.
Speaker 2:We are they right? No Cody, indeed. Jesus. Yeah. That sounds a good the name of a good shirt.
Speaker 2:No Cody, indeed. But, but, yeah, but, like, so I'm you know, I bet you, this could have been, like, number 10 of the the animes that they just released in American publishing for for Funimation when this came I
Speaker 1:I just don't think it
Speaker 2:was No. No. I'm not talking about ranking as a best quality.
Speaker 1:But But, like, we had and I and I don't have the numbers for this because I don't have these shows. But I know my favorite anime, Cowboy Bebop, was out at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But it was Bandai. Bandai released that. Not, yeah. Not Funimation.
Speaker 1:Fair.
Speaker 2:Yes. So there you go.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying there there's I'm not saying other things to watch on TV.
Speaker 2:Yeah. All I'm saying. I'm not saying that anime, like, anime wasn't, like, there wasn't more than one there was more than one company that was doing it, but at the same time, it was, the big American companies. Yeah. Pioneer, anime, Funimation, ADV.
Speaker 2:That was it. Yeah. So anyways, Full Metal Panic was a show was a was a Mecca show that, Tiffany loves. And it follows Sosuke Sagura, an elite soldier for the anti terrorist organization group, Mithril, Assigned to protect Kanno, Kaname Chidori, a high school girl targeted because she is one of the whispers. It's so so anticlimactic, you know?
Speaker 2:Yes. Individuals with advanced instinctual knowledge and technology. The series blends mecha action with school comedy as Sosuke adjusts to civilian life. Mhmm. Okay.
Speaker 2:So what do you think of this series, Tiffany?
Speaker 1:I think I loved it. It was my favorite. I'm gonna chain I'm gonna tattoo right here of his face, Sosuke's face.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1:Let's do it. You could not pay me enough. Let's do it. A, because he's the blandest character. It'd be a bland tattoo.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I already could have one because it's just blank, just like his personality. Damn. So the show I know I just said all those things. But I will say this.
Speaker 1:As a Mecca hater, it wasn't as bad as the other meccas in the sense that I have a note. I have notes,
Speaker 2:guys.
Speaker 1:One of my notes was this show is palatable only because there's more panic than metal Because they're spending so much time in the school setting. They didn't really they they barely even touched on the mechs Mhmm. For, like, the first half of the series.
Speaker 2:You know what I think it is? I think that it's like the fact that they didn't have a true identity for a like, they didn't wanna stay in the lane of mech or school or, or school life. Yeah. That they just wanted to say, we're just gonna cause a little bit of chaos when it came to, story grinding. And I think that's what it, like, you can't you can't put it in a box of this is a Mecca because it isn't quite a Mecca just as much as it this is not about this is not a series about school life.
Speaker 2:It isn't. It's like it's its own weird mixed genre that's just kinda chaotic in itself.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then later later on in the series, I said, just kidding. The levels of metal have unfortunately risen. So the the it's so to get to my cold open, I would like to know, do you feel like heroines, female anime characters from back in the day, how do you do you like them more so?
Speaker 1:Do you think that they are better then than they are now?
Speaker 2:So female heroines is kinda tough.
Speaker 1:Even just characters.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, I'm thinking like when you're saying when you when you're thinking of female heroines, I'm thinking like, you know, like, protagonists, like like leading ladies in the series itself. And it's tough because I think at that time during the nineties and stuff, there wasn't a lot well, we weren't exposed to a lot of female heroines that way. The big ones, I would say, if talking about an anime level, would be like Sailor Moon. Fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. What?
Speaker 1:Fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, Project Eiko. Mhmm. There was also like, there there were several, like, small ones.
Speaker 2:Oh, Slayers, another one with Lina Lina and stuff. But, like, it's hard I I would say it's tough. It's tough to say that, like, maybe because of the just the general look of, you know, of women in the nineties was more less now than what it is now, you know, the, more acceptable and more broader now than it is back then, that they were getting away with a lot of, you know, riskiness or, you know, or white knight saving Yes.
Speaker 1:So much and of stuff.
Speaker 2:And, yeah. So I think that's probably what it is. I think it was just it's it's a product of the time when it was when it was released, which was causing it to be this that
Speaker 1:way. Absolutely fair. I get that. I I agree. And I think that the show
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Was fine. Chidori. I know that's not her name.
Speaker 2:Well, was right, Kaname Chidori.
Speaker 1:It was like she is she something else? No. Chidori?
Speaker 2:You're right. Kaname Chidori.
Speaker 1:Nailed that.
Speaker 2:I nailed that. You did. You purposely. You did that purposely. You were not expecting yeah.
Speaker 2:You you were a 100
Speaker 1:I'm paying attention.
Speaker 2:Wholeheartedly, you were just like, nope. Her name Kaname Chidori.
Speaker 1:Okay. There we go. Yes. She is she's obnoxious. She's obnoxious.
Speaker 1:She it gets in her own way a lot of the time. Mhmm. I don't like the damsel in distress trope. And I know she's supposed to be this very important cog in the machine. But Mhmm.
Speaker 1:She her obnoxious behavior puts them into situations where it's like, girl, if you don't if you shut up, they won't find us. And she's like, I can't shut up. And it's like, girl, now they know where we are. Right. Or it's this man is trying to protect you, and you are actively fighting.
Speaker 1:You're you're you're swimming upstream, Chidori. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You sound like you're victim shaming.
Speaker 1:I'm not. I don't think so. And I'm not listen. I'll get canceled for the Mecca hate, but I'm not I think she got everything she earned. Really?
Speaker 1:Think she earned everything she got, You
Speaker 2:are really I mean, like, okay. So I think that the, well, it's funny because like, I think I I have seen that the best of two worlds because I I've seen when the game when it when it first came out Mhmm. And I was like, oh, this is a hilarious series. And then I will admit, don't give me the eye roll. Don't give me the eye roll.
Speaker 2:I don't deserve it. I don't I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. The, yeah. So it was a, I liked the series.
Speaker 2:It was hilarious and stuff like that. It was fun, whatever. But then I go back to it and then I'm like, oh my God. It's a you said it's
Speaker 1:a product of the time
Speaker 2:for sure. Very big product of the time itself. And and and, I know I'm a different person than what I was when I first when I first watched it. But like now when I when I'm looking at, when I think things that the things are more important to me, especially when it comes to series and stuff like character development, story itself and things like that, it's a mess. It's a giant, giant mess.
Speaker 2:And Chidori I didn't mind Chidori as much. I think she was like a comedic Yandere Yandere character. Yeah. And without that kind of level of extreme exasperation of the events of the times, you're gonna be stuck with Sosuke Sagura. And Sagura is a wet towel throughout And the whole he's just solid like he's solidly always serious.
Speaker 2:He's like he doesn't really doesn't react. He doesn't like, the only thing he reacts is just like he only just looks at the whatever the the the target is of Yeah. What he needs to do. It's a very
Speaker 1:And the reason very static formulaic
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Guy. He gets stuff done.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Well, theoretically, you know?
Speaker 1:Oh, beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the biggest issue is that he has no emotion.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. He has no, like, hilarity, no no, like, you know, interest of, like, you wanting to kinda get to that point. It's just like he's just good at one thing and that's just
Speaker 1:I think being what makes him I think that is what gives him his character, actually. Mhmm. I think that his rigid personality is it actually contributes to the comedy because it's it's funny to watch him introduce himself to a school full of what I found out later were his peers in age. I thought he was much older, and he just had a baby face. I thought he was, like, an adult, he just had a baby face, and they sent him in to infiltrate the school to protect this woman or this girl.
Speaker 2:Oh, that would have been a completely different I know.
Speaker 1:I got a note about that too. But he
Speaker 2:so he gets in there and he's like they're like,
Speaker 1:oh, why don't you introduce yourself? And he's like, I am I am Sosuke
Speaker 2:Sagura.
Speaker 1:Sagura, and I, the lieutenant general, blah blah blah. And they're like, okay. Do you like music? And he's like, I like to read books. And I think it's funny.
Speaker 1:It's a funny playoff of, like, putting this very stoic serious character in this situation.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And I don't wanna sound like I'm just hating on her. Uh-huh. I am. You But I don't wanna sound like I am because I she is, like, comedic levity also, I guess. But it's just this it's kind of the way I don't like Zenitsu because he is he is a walking talking trope.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. And Chidori is a walking talking trope and she is a product also of the time.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. So I mean, yeah. Like the I think given the situation well, first off, this is a mess. Like, I mean, like I said
Speaker 1:The show?
Speaker 2:The story is a mess because it's really weird. Like, the fact that, the the group that they were the the underlying issue is that these people are be like, a a terrorist group is trying to target We should say what it's about. Yeah. Well, we did. We kinda did.
Speaker 1:Kind of. Yeah. Anime synopsis are so bad at telling what they the show is after.
Speaker 2:I promise you we'll get better at this when we make more episodes. Yes. Swear to you.
Speaker 1:We gotta find our way, guys.
Speaker 2:Yes. I know. This is how we have to find the footing. It's just how it normally goes. The groove and the things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You get some so we can make some magic and play
Speaker 1:some Yeah.
Speaker 2:Play some jazz and stuff. I don't know. But yeah. Oh, man. But like, I'm just saying that like okay.
Speaker 2:So what the what it basically is, is that, so Sagura Sosuke is a part of a group, of of, mech fighters. It's a three person group. The it's a woman, that that's his commanding officer.
Speaker 1:Oh, is Gabe? Oh, not that one. Sorry. That's a child.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. No. That yeah. The the lead commander is, is a 16 year old girl Yeah. Which is, like I said, all over It's the prodigies everywhere.
Speaker 2:Ridiculous prodigies all over the place. And, and yeah. So you have Kurtz Rhett Weber, who is his co which is his, the the same rank and same deal. And then his sis I guess it's his sister because, like, because the way that they were the way that they they communicate with each other, that he said that she he was always referring to her as a sister. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And I was like, oh, they don't even look alike. Like like, one of them looks Chinese, you know? Like, technically, the girls are more Chinese. Yeah. So basically, it's a three man crew that, that that works for Mithril that goes out and does different kinds of missions to take care of terrorist organizations and cell groups and stuff.
Speaker 2:So then they're under their intelligence, they find out that they're going to be going after their these, these terrorist cells are going after this group called the Whispers. No one knows what the Whispers are, but they know that they're they're they're targeting people that have quote unquote Whisper technology. So they find out that there's this one girl, Kanomichi Dory is one of the people that's on this list that they find out that they, they're, this is the next person that they, that they feel that they're gonna be targeted. So they use Sasuke Sagura Sosuke and and his group to go and look out, infiltrate the school that she's in, go undercover to protect her. And then once it's once they feel the threats taken out or cleared out, then they can go away.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But apparently, if obviously, it's more than it seems and they stay
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:They stay longer and longer and longer. They have four seasons of this of this stuff.
Speaker 1:Four seasons of it.
Speaker 2:Four seasons of Four seasons. And we're just talking about season one. And Grace Yeah. Yeah. So the origin so the problem I have is that the way that this series is is that this is like a military organization that's like the secret, top secret organization of the secret organizations.
Speaker 2:Yes. And then they are like, their main their main place is a submarine that goes that's virtually unprotect undetectable anywhere at this, like, And anywhere they and they decide to get just three people out there to be like, protect these persons. Yep. It's like, not the military, because the military is just incompetent. They don't know this stuff.
Speaker 2:This stuff. And we don't even know if if Mithril is budgeted by the country or if this is like a rich man's dream
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Of some sort. But I just feel like the way that they're just throwing out all this kinds of stuff and then these different kinds of like pieces aren't connecting quite well to a point to be like, to have a, like a, a very strong story, a story element to it. Fair. And and like and it's like like you said, like, you have like originally, I was thinking like, oh, this is hilarious when I was a kid. But then now when I come back to it and I see Kurt Weber, it's like saying, oh, she's really fine as hell.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Girl? Hate to talk about that. But yes.
Speaker 2:Girl is 16 years
Speaker 1:wasn't at the time. They showed her
Speaker 2:a picture
Speaker 1:of us.
Speaker 2:They showed her a picture, then the picture of the
Speaker 1:target or the the not the target because that sounds like they're gonna take her out. But the subject. And they put my and I hate that the English voice actor for this character is Edward Elrick.
Speaker 2:Oh. Because I love him pieces. Yes.
Speaker 1:I'm just like, don't make my boy a perv. But, yes, they show them this picture, and he's like, wow. She's a babe. I can't wait to meet her. No.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to see what she looks like or something. And they were like, oh, well, she's that's what he said. He was like, oh, she's a babe. I can't wait to see what she grows into. And he's like, oh, well, she's 12 years old in that picture.
Speaker 1:My god. She's 16 now, so you'll get to see. And I'm like Oh can't do this, guys.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. This show's
Speaker 1:been on for seven minutes. And then you know what?
Speaker 2:It's like, he doesn't even like like cool it down.
Speaker 1:No. It gets worse.
Speaker 2:It gets worse throughout the whole series. And I'm like, my god, dude. This is actually cra like, now I see it. Now I'm like, this girl this guy is a predator, dude. Like, this like straight up.
Speaker 2:And
Speaker 1:The note.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I was like, so the the ages are, like, are so random, so weird and so kind of insane that, like like you said, like the the leader of this mithril group is a 16 It's year old a what's her name? Teletha Tesarosa. That's her name.
Speaker 1:It's a cool name.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's a cool name.
Speaker 1:Tesarosa is a fire name. I love that. Tesarosa.
Speaker 2:Great car. But Oh, the what?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So she's 16. Apparently, Soske is is 17, which I did not know that because he kept talking about all these years of military experience, or he had gone overseas to all of these was, like, stationed in all these places. So my note, one of my notes was the fact that they had to send the stiffest, weirdest guy to pretend to be a teenager in her high school is a testament to how pervy the blonde guy was. They just knew that he would be a walking, talking lawsuit waiting to happen.
Speaker 1:That man was absolutely on the Epstein on Epstein's Island. Oh my god. And that and that's before I found out that Soskaya is 17. And then I'm like, where did all these years of military experience come from then?
Speaker 2:Yeah. The bond well, when you was a child soldier.
Speaker 1:I well, sure. Sure. And I do love a child a good child soldier squad. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of a good child soldier.
Speaker 1:I just it it threw me it's it's a it's it was hard to follow Uh-huh. At sometimes, just in, like you said. They just kinda say stuff. Like, oh, this girl is she's the leader of the organization, and she's 16. And I'm just like, okay.
Speaker 1:Cool. We're just gonna yes and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Essentially, no. That's exactly what it is. Because isn't it weird that she was, like, 16, then her first captain was, was like an old man? Yes.
Speaker 2:And then the other person that's also probably an even older man that works too. You know? I was like, what is this? I I never understood. Like, it didn't make like, none of it made any kind of, like, of sense or consistency at all.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess eventually they tell that she's like a a a intelligent prodigy, and she solved Einstein, one of Einstein's equations at the age of six or whatever.
Speaker 2:But then she even said but you she even said herself when she said that, my bro my brother
Speaker 1:did before.
Speaker 2:At four. Why is the brother not the captain? The leader like, what happened to that? Nothing. But the they do show more about that, about him, but it's still it it's really weird.
Speaker 2:And I think the thing I you know what I think it is? And this is maybe just my own opinion on this now is maybe that they weren't focusing on the fact that, like, you know, their their focus of the story was secondary Mhmm. But the but they just wanted to be more comedic on the Sure. Relationship between Sagura and Chidori. And and and I think that's what they were just wanting to do.
Speaker 2:Because he had the weirdest like, there were some weird episodes in this epi like in this thing. Like, you don't you only have filler episodes in the anime series. Like, you're it's like, okay, here's the series. Like, oh, they went to Bosnia and they did this crazy fight Right. And stuff.
Speaker 2:And there had some pretty hardcore stuff. There were some pretty hardcore stories that lines in it. But some of the things like, they go to a different base, like, for summer break, and then they do a they they're using the mechs as like, you know, relay races and was stuff like very interesting.
Speaker 1:You know? Yeah. Exactly. You know, just like beach day activities.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Beach day activities and stuff. And then it's just like, why is this even in here? This is not and it it doesn't even make any sense or like I could have easily just skipped this and not care about whatever it's going to be, you know?
Speaker 1:So because you are the resident mech watcher I
Speaker 2:am not a mech watcher.
Speaker 1:You're more so than me. Okay. So I'm gonna have to field my questions to you because I don't have any other that's deal nobody else in this room right now.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So the ones that I've
Speaker 2:seen Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:They it seems like having children run these mechs is a common occurrence. Mhmm. Because I'm thinking of I'm thinking of, like, Evangelion. I'm thinking of, like, iron blooded orphans. I'm thinking of other ones that I can't think of right now.
Speaker 1:Zoids, I can think Yeah. But there's a lot of and I wonder if this is kinda the goal. Because when I think of, like, mechs, I think of trauma and politics. Mhmm. Those are the two things.
Speaker 1:Child trauma and politics. And for this one, it seemed like it did kind of subvert a couple of those tropes. It was tropey.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:It did do other things. It did all of the slice of life tropes. Mhmm. But as far as mechs go, the people in the mech suits were not these unhappy broken children, which is very refreshing. Right.
Speaker 1:And it was a lot it did feel a lot more lighthearted. And I do like the way that the mechs worked. Mhmm. It wasn't I like the
Speaker 2:fact futuristic enough to be like, you know, it looked kinda more tanky.
Speaker 1:They did look tanky. I do like that. And and one of the kinda like the throwaway mechs, like the little grunt soldier mechs and towards the beginning of like when their first mission when homegirl got kidnapped for the first time, they look like little toads, like little frogs.
Speaker 2:And I was like, okay.
Speaker 1:But I like that. And and this might not be a maybe it's common, maybe it isn't, but I do like that and the the other like, the the mirror bad guy Mhmm. Mech are operated through, like, your willpower and your intent. Mhmm. And they directly correlate with that.
Speaker 1:So that power is like, if you believe this thing, then that's the thing that your mech will do. Yeah. Is that a common thing in mech?
Speaker 2:Okay. So I think for your first question, because you got a lot of different things there. I did. I had a lot of thoughts. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would say, I would say your first question, I just think the Japanese do not like
Speaker 1:old Children?
Speaker 2:Old protic o older protagonists. They're meant
Speaker 1:I mean, the shows aren't made for kids.
Speaker 2:These shows. I mean, well, it is meant for an older group, but I just think in general, because it's the same it's you could say the same thing for any, like, you know, RPG. Like, Final Fantasy oh, well, theoretically, you may not know this. Final Fantasy seven. You know how old Cloud and them were?
Speaker 2:Like, in the end, they were 17.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah. There's how does that make sense? That make it may okay.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing as, like, when you have You roam not romance. You novels, like fantasy novels. They always have younger protagonists and whatever the reason be, but it is to appeal to that age range. You're saying they're I think that they're young because?
Speaker 2:No. They I just think that they're wanting well, I think it's a mixture of a a little bit of both, but, like, at the same time, I just think that they just think that they it's not gonna be as much of an interesting story. Because, mean, there are mech animes that are for they do have older people Mhmm. But the majority isn't the case. It's usually like a it's like 16 or 17 year old or a person just stumbles upon it.
Speaker 1:That's the
Speaker 2:most anime. What's it called?
Speaker 1:Back then back then, it's
Speaker 2:Well, all even now, I mean, it's like it's like like the protect like every Gundam
Speaker 1:Oh,
Speaker 2:I see. Like besides the past Gundam, maybe Gundam 83 and stuff no, even those people are like 18, 17 and stuff. Yeah. But there are some, like, that that that that, the, heroes are not are are a little bit over 20 years old.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:But like, the majority, they are they are kids. I mean, most of the times, and they're finding all this crazy stuff. So I don't know. I would say, naturally, I just think it's just societal thing Yeah. When it comes to that.
Speaker 2:So I wouldn't say it's a mech thing per se. I just think that it's just like, because of, who, like the Yeah.
Speaker 1:Consumers. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And stuff. As for like it's actually kinda funny when the when you're mentioning on how the mechs were running, but I didn't even think of that, at all. The way I thought I did think like I like how it took them time for it to boot. It looked like a it looked like a giant computer from the seventies.
Speaker 1:Even that was funny. But
Speaker 2:like, but the Lambda, the systems and stuff, usually you don't have a full conversation of like how like, what makes that mech special than other mechs and stuff. It's just like, you just know it's special because this one has wings or something like that, you know.
Speaker 1:Unicorn Gundam.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Or unicorn And that is the
Speaker 1:scent of my mech Melch.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's a horn. It's like, oh, you better stay away from that one. Yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 2:So but like, yeah. I mean, they did do a good job on the the the quote unquote land of system or the plot the plot driver for, like, what what made it special. But, yeah, there usually is something like that in in the ones that you know that, like, if the, protag what made the protagonist so strong and the main antagonist so strong too, you know. So, I don't know. It's just I mean, but overall, like, can understand the fights, like like the the normal trivial fights that you're that, that they're doing and stuff.
Speaker 2:But, Yeah. I so I don't know. I don't I honestly I guess it's long way of saying I don't know. Right. Okay.
Speaker 2:Fair. You know? Because like, when I think of Ava, I was like, it's it was what made Ava so special? But they really wasn't That's and that's and I don't really see.
Speaker 1:And that's what I was trying to say is I don't really see a lot of anything special happening in Mex. I think that's why I don't like them is because they do fit a mold so precisely. They are they are commonly It's military. The mechs operate very similarly, and then there are gonna be just childhood trauma. Those are the things that the three things you can count on in a mech.
Speaker 1:And I like that this show, even though I dogged it for the first entirety I of the like that this one, it was very heavily like, okay. If you believe in yourself or if you believe this thing is gonna happen, then that then the mech, it taps into your willpower Mhmm. Almost. Whereas like Shinji's, if you were to go that way, it would tap into his trauma. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Or but there it seems like it's less mech and what is the word I wanna use? It's less I'm gonna come back to this thought. Okay. It's it's like the the processes. It's less less procedural and more like it's their heart.
Speaker 1:Your heart got in the way.
Speaker 2:Heart of the card. Yeah. Kind of. I believe in myself. I can do it.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh. And that and you can. And that's what it did. Kinda I kinda liked that part. That made it a little different.
Speaker 2:Although, the special plot driver is actually increasing my strength.
Speaker 1:Don't say it like that because you'll make me not like it anymore because now that sounds stupid. Because that is a different trope in anime that drives me crazy.
Speaker 2:That is true. I know. I mean
Speaker 1:Right up there with like power of friendship.
Speaker 2:The power of friendship. Love that one.
Speaker 1:You actually?
Speaker 2:No. No. I love to love the, the irony of it. It's like you could do with any you could do anything.
Speaker 1:You can. That's Tanjiro and all of his broken bits and pieces.
Speaker 2:You could believe in yourself and that's how you could get out of broken bones after the same fight in bits
Speaker 1:Absolutely and five you can.
Speaker 2:Oh God. Yeah. I mean, overall, yeah, I think like, what made I think what I think what I love, when I think about, Full Bell Panic itself, I think what I loved more, because I'm when I saw the whole ser when I saw the the series, I was thinking, I thought the series had depth.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. This is stupid. When you were younger.
Speaker 2:It's a stupid story.
Speaker 1:When you watch it over. Yes. That's okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But when they when I look at it and I just see, like, all I see now is just the plot holes of just specifically that. But, I do think what got my interest was the comedic role what was Sure. Was the relationship. I think that's the thing that made it funny what made it fun in itself.
Speaker 2:Because I think that, like, the, why I remember it so well or why I remembered it in rose colored glasses and offered it to you as a suggestion was because I wasn't thinking of the overall plot of it, but just how much of a fun time it was with just the the stupidness of Chidori and the saga Yeah. And stuff. But I guess let me ask you this though too. Besides besides those two Mhmm. Do you think that was there anyone else or any in in that series itself that was like that kinda stood out for you?
Speaker 2:Or did that you even, like, remotely liked? Or
Speaker 1:I thought that. So the it was it was his group was made up of the three. Mhmm. It was Soskay, the pervy, Edward Elrick, and a babe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Mal.
Speaker 1:Oh, she was a babe. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:She
Speaker 1:was. She was not a good role model, but I am a fan. Aside from her because I do I like a tough lady. And I kind of wish that I saw a little bit more she had a level of resilience and anger Mhmm. That Chidori it was almost like a a more matured version of Chidori's personality.
Speaker 1:Right. And maybe it just comes with maturity. Maybe it comes with smoking a pack a day like she does or drinking her life away.
Speaker 2:Maybe you call her name.
Speaker 1:Maybe you call me. I did really like her. I enjoyed her. I like a tough rough around the edge character. I'm trying to think of who else.
Speaker 1:That's probably my girl. I liked her.
Speaker 2:Really? So just one character of all time.
Speaker 1:You asked me one part you asked me if I had another person.
Speaker 2:I hey. You gave me a straight line.
Speaker 1:Like the suit as well.
Speaker 2:That is the suit.
Speaker 1:The suit. The mech suit. Oh, the suit. I like
Speaker 2:the suit. You know what? I Kind of. I will call that a win in sense because in a way, it's not that it's not the mechs that bothered you. It's rather it seems like it was just rather just the develop the character development I and the story.
Speaker 1:No. It's the mechs. I don't like I don't don't like talking mech for long periods of time. Right. One thing that I don't like about Evangelion is I and I do like that I like childhood trauma as well.
Speaker 1:I'm not even mad about these things. These components separated, I don't mind. I think a lot of it is whenever you start to get into these technical aspects of these mech suits, I don't care. I don't care. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And the thing about Evangelion is you have these moments where you are talking about the characters and the development and the tough moments between Shinji and his dad and and the ramifications of growing up too soon
Speaker 2:and blah blah blah blah. And then we
Speaker 1:have a full episode where they're like, the specs were wrong on the the I can't even think of the catalytic converter is. I'm like,
Speaker 2:I don't know. So I was
Speaker 1:just like, okay. And I'd and I'd like that this one is a little bit more lighthearted. This is of the mechs that I've watched. Mhmm. This one is not the way it's palatable.
Speaker 2:So yeah. But because the focus wasn't the mechs, though, the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And I and that's probably why.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, like, I'm just saying that I I think that the one off is that if there was a if there was a series that was like that they had this the mechs as secondary I'm trying better to
Speaker 1:story than
Speaker 2:what than what full male
Speaker 1:I'm trying to ease myself into being a mech girly, but I I'm I'm trying to give myself more grill. Like, oh, I liked the mechs except for when they're on screen.
Speaker 2:I mean, you do you do have a point though. I mean, like, you're right. If you've seen one I mean, the it's not I mean, like, the seri when they come to the Mechs series, Mechs series are kind of like, you've seen one, you've seen them all, kind of of situations. It's a it's the trifecta that you basically created for it. But like, this one, if anything, is the probably the one I would say is kind of outside the box relatively from what other mech series are like though, you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's It's just the thing that just didn't resonate with you real well is everything else on top of it. Because mech because, like, if you didn't like the mech series, you would have said immediately the first thing you didn't like was the robots.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's
Speaker 2:true. And you didn't.
Speaker 1:And I jumped out right down Chidori's.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Right. Because you're right. You hated Chidori more than you hated the vets. Know.
Speaker 2:I swear I'm
Speaker 1:a girl's girl, y'all. I don't I wasn't
Speaker 2:trying to victim blame. Yo. You clearly were victim blame immediately.
Speaker 1:She is obnoxious. If if we ever talk about Demon Slayer, I'm a get on Zenitsu too. Don't worry, We got it's equal rights over Zenitsu
Speaker 2:was such a pain in the well, Zenitsu was the one that sleeps. Right? Mhmm. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2:No. I don't get me started with Zenitsu. Yeah. The but no. I'm just saying that, like, I think that, like, it it I won't say it's a complete win, but I will say that it that I know that now I have an idea of what you I'm not are doing not a
Speaker 1:fan you're not gonna trick me into another mech.
Speaker 2:We're not doing another mech. What? Well, I don't know. Okay. Here's a question.
Speaker 2:What is like, are we talking about like are we talking about mech or mech stuff? Like mech lite stuff? Like, you know, have you ever heard one, Tanya the Evil?
Speaker 1:I love Saga of Tanya the
Speaker 2:Evil. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Different Yeah. Though. It's
Speaker 2:different. That's I not really
Speaker 1:I love a child soldier.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Not really a mech. And that is a horrible, like, hate that's a crime that should happen But in like, not really a mech, but it's more like the the magic and then the mixture of magic and then flight machine that they're using.
Speaker 1:I like that. I like that. I like it. And and the brutality of it might be why I like it. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I like the story and how twisted it is. So Okay. I like that.
Speaker 2:Alright. So what is so what would you say that that didn't really resonate to you when you watching the show itself?
Speaker 1:This one? Mhmm. Okay. This one is genuinely, it is it is of the max. It is a better one.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Keep in mind, I this I am watching this for the first time at this age. So you had the benefit of seeing this with childlike wonder Mhmm. And a and you're seeing it in the lens like, through the lens of all of the other tropes, like the shows that have the same tropes. This was just the norm.
Speaker 1:I think we have been gifted with well rounded characters. We've been gifted with anime I'm not even gonna I'm not even mad at the animation.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:It wasn't bad for what it
Speaker 2:For the time.
Speaker 1:I will also say that Cowboy Bebop was older and looked better,
Speaker 2:but it's not kind of To be fair, Cowboy Bebop was still they still do they were doing hand drawing.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:So that with this, this was not hand drawing. That's true. And
Speaker 1:so I I think that I'm coming into this with my adult eyes and just seeing how tropey it was. Mhmm. What was your question exactly? I'm trying to because I don't wanna get back into No. I was
Speaker 2:just wondering, like, what is it that that you would that that that you say that, like, what didn't really mean?
Speaker 1:Oh, I see. Yep. Yeah. It didn't resonate with me.
Speaker 2:Resonate with you.
Speaker 1:It's it's the heavy tropes. I think that we've gotten to a point in anime where we while we are still leaning heavily into tropes, I think that the self awareness is there. I think that sometimes the tropes lead to a deeper storyline. They lead it more to, like, character motivations making more sense or whatever. I just I think I'm just a little bit spoiled for
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Better shows, better stories right now.
Speaker 2:Well, then again, to be fair, yeah, you did go back twenty years. Yeah. Or over twenty years.
Speaker 1:That's true. And I'm sure when we go back to other older shows, it's gonna be similar.
Speaker 2:I don't know, though. See, I'd say I'd I don't know. Like, I can
Speaker 1:still Oh, really? I'm
Speaker 2:trying I to could still watch Dragon Ball, the original Dragon
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:I can still watch You
Speaker 1:can still watch Goku pat Chi Chi's or not Chi Chi's, Bowler.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can. Can.
Speaker 2:I can do that. Don't be so excited about it. You're like so surprised. No. I was like, no.
Speaker 2:But like, mean, like Akira. Akira's the classic.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:Vampire Under D. I mean, then you also got like
Speaker 1:Damn. I'm trying to give it credit. You keep shooting down the the few little concessions I'm trying to give this show.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, the Miyazakis. I mean, Miyazakis are a full of these adult derp. Miyazakis probably, if anything, is the only exception of any of that conversation. Cause like, he's always been like consistent if anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But like, I mean, even given the even I wouldn't give age for its time even an excuse in itself, unless it's three d, like three if it was early three d, like complete three d setups, it a it would age terribly because this was the infantile states of, you know, animation going into three d.
Speaker 1:Fair.
Speaker 2:But but when it comes to like the animation of like how this is, I mean, still wasn't bad. It's still not bad. It's just age. That's all
Speaker 1:it is. And I don't, I don't fault it for that at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I just think that like, I think what really kind of got me is I think the, I think the biggest thing is that it's a product of its time. Now they like, we will never see a series like that again because of some of the stuff that they were doing, in itself.
Speaker 1:I feel okay. Give me give me examples. Because I feel like there are certain genres that still lean into some of those old tropes.
Speaker 2:Kurt is the character himself is would be the would be like, a character like that to be straight up to be saying like like like that in general is just, not gonna happen again. Like, I don't think.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think your isekai's are they don't think
Speaker 2:they let go much Not of to that level. Yeah? He was predator level, dude. Like, he was straight up predator level.
Speaker 1:And it was so common.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it was straight. And then even the time when he even revealed himself well, not revealed himself as like he was
Speaker 1:You do have to be specific or not revealed himself because he's like a trench coat.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I know. Right? No. No.
Speaker 2:I got a bit like that. But like, yeah. Like, when when he
Speaker 1:When he outed himself too.
Speaker 2:No. When he took his plate when took Sagura's place for that one day and stuff, he still was kinda creepy came to that point. Even injured.
Speaker 1:That man was on his Yeah. Bed and he was still like, high school girls.
Speaker 2:I know. Right? He was basically, what's his name? Matthew McConaughey. Yeah.
Speaker 2:In the clear, what's it called? Dazed and Confused. Mhmm. Yeah. He So was basically that.
Speaker 2:And like, I don't think that we will ever see a character like that again Here. When it comes to that. I think, but like, I also think that the, like, the the, the storytelling, like I said, like, the kind of the kind of storytelling that this one was didn't really resonate fairly well either. And that I don't well, maybe this is just the first season because like I said, we're just watching the first season of it. And I know Fumofu isn't really more isn't real is it not a serious series?
Speaker 2:It's just It's it's like a side series of like, all of like, Series of Unfortunate Events and And I know Second Raid was more serious, but I never really watched the Second Raid or all of it of it. So, but yeah. But, like, I just think that this introduction of the series, I don't think it will that this would this would fly in any way, in 2027 whatsoever, you know.
Speaker 1:Agreed.
Speaker 2:Let alone, it will not be 26 episodes. I can tell you that much. That's true. That's true. You know?
Speaker 2:So, but I mean, was there any I mean, I what what what would you say would be the good point, good parts? What what did you like? Or was there a series or an episode or something that that that might have resonated
Speaker 1:with you? Genuinely enjoyed that the way I enjoyed the whenever Jidore was not being obnoxious, the way that she and Soske worked together to to what was the the mix were called the technology was called?
Speaker 2:The LAN Can't remember. Lambda.
Speaker 1:Lambda.
Speaker 2:Lambda Drive.
Speaker 1:Okay. I'm not far off on some of these. Yeah. You're close.
Speaker 2:You've been pretty pretty close. You've been pretty god taught.
Speaker 1:I I enjoy the way that that worked. I I did very much like the the fact that you have to have the teamwork. It's it's a bit like you said, I've said a couple times, it's a very believe in yourself type of message. And I think it probably is if for a, like, a young viewer, I feel like it probably is more inspirational than a typical mech. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I feel like it doesn't bog you down with this sense of foreboding and dread. It is kind of inspirational.
Speaker 2:Right. So I
Speaker 1:like that. But for somebody who watched it at a young age and then rewatching it Mhmm. What would you say if like, what was your takeaway when you were younger? What did it do for you then?
Speaker 2:Well, like I said, I think the thing that what what it took away from me was the was the comedy aspect. Sure. Was the because I think, you know, when I think about when I was growing up, when I was growing up and was was was collecting anime, when I was physically collecting the box sets and stuff, I think I was kinda in in a time where I was looking at comedic sides. Yeah. And I was thinking of like, you know, relationship weird sides.
Speaker 2:Like Ted Chi Mugio was one of
Speaker 1:my favorites at
Speaker 2:the time. Oh, Ted Chi. Love Hina was one too and stuff. And and some others and and some others. And I think that, like, when I got this and and we sat down and we, oh, we went to, I believe what was the name of the convention?
Speaker 2:I think it was Acon. Yeah. Acon. Uh-huh. Went to Acon and we saw the voice actors that was like talking about it because this was a brand new series at the time.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And then we they sneak peek the first episode. We're like, oh, this is hilarious. And then we just decided, we just went ham on
Speaker 1:it. Okay.
Speaker 2:Like, we just went, gone from there. Because there's no other way you could buy it. You could have watched anime. There was no, television stations. There was, the there was the only way to watch anime was Adult Swim and that was like five shows.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That was it. You know? Yeah. So so you had to go out and buy it.
Speaker 2:And then it was like $60, like just together. So They have
Speaker 1:not gotten much cheaper though.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They
Speaker 1:have not gotten better.
Speaker 2:They really haven't. But, but yeah. So like I say that I think what got what got me into it was the, was the the, the comedic resonance of it. Mhmm. Because like, when I think about it now, when I especially when I watched it again, I realized that the the way that they did it was that they kinda did like, they did 26 episodes of the series.
Speaker 2:But then in within those series, there was like mini like, it was like mini continuations, like mini arcs. Exactly. Thank you. Like, the beginning the first, like, maybe four or five episodes was the silliness Yeah. And stuff.
Speaker 2:But then then the last the the back end of the last maybe four or five episodes was gonna be the first time, the first serious invasion of, like, you know, of of the deal. Then after that, two filler episodes again, and then there was another mini arc of the boy and his sister Yeah. His and his sister, maybe two, two or three episodes there, then another mini episode, and then another big, big a big hit. So, yeah. So I was like, I didn't I hated this pace.
Speaker 2:I hated that that pacing because it was just like
Speaker 1:You hated it now?
Speaker 2:Oh, I hated it now. Okay. Absolutely. Because like, there when you think about it, like, when you see all these different kinds of things in less than 26 episodes
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Is it's so cluttered up that it's like you couldn't focus on like one bigger issue and then just kinda, like, maybe maybe one, maybe two kinda things. And you decided to say, okay, oh, we need to give a breather in between these things. And then she's so I was like, wow, we went to, we went to the desert and we went to my old base and then she like, when they're showing character growth with Sagra's with with Sagra going back to his his original training grounds and stuff, And you're like, oh, okay. So this is where he's coming from. This is why he's so, like, one tracked about
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You know, about military. And then the next episode is they do a relay race in the freaking what's it Yeah.
Speaker 1:Had that obligatory beach episode. Yes.
Speaker 2:Exactly. The obligatory beach episode. And and I feel like they were trying so hard to not have it.
Speaker 1:You think so? Yeah. This is the kind of show where every single episode, I'm like, when's the beach gonna happen? When's the beach gonna happen? When's it gonna be next time?
Speaker 1:It it seems like they were always like, you know it's Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's covered. You're thinking of slice of life. You're thinking of the school life.
Speaker 1:They don't.
Speaker 2:The school life.
Speaker 1:It's not like they avoided. They were on the beach a couple times.
Speaker 2:They were yeah. But it wasn't the beach episode.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2:Until it was like until it was really late into the series where they they were like because remember, it was summertime, so you thought the summer episode the beginning of the summer episode was gonna be that, but then, no, they he went they went do this stupid relay thing
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And then she was all and then she was complaining the whole time, was like, I can't believe we're going here instead of going to the beach. Sure.
Speaker 1:Fair. Fair.
Speaker 2:Fair. Yeah. And then yeah. And then that's when they did the little mini arc with with Sosuke going back to wherever he went to
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:To to do all of this. And I'm just and then, eventually, he comes back and then they're gonna be doing the school fest some sort of school festival. Mhmm. Then there was like, okay, well, go to the I wanna take you to the beach. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Then it wasn't even a beach episode. It was like I was just like, what the heck? It it there was one eventually.
Speaker 1:Are you like, darn?
Speaker 2:It's like, it was like, what it's like, I feel like they were doing a lot of this stuff. They were trying to skirt through the the Yeah. The trope, and then they finally decided, okay, we're gonna do the trope. And then I'm just like, y'all y'all are going y'all are working too hard. Y'all are thinking too much with all of this.
Speaker 2:Just just give us the beach episode or whatever. Do whatever the hell you're wanting to do and then just, you know, call it the night. So you didn't like the yo yo effect of the way the plot worked? No. I hated the yo yo effect.
Speaker 2:Do you
Speaker 1:so what would you have preferred? Would you have preferred it to just lean well, sounds like you prefer it to lean more into the comedy or do
Speaker 2:I think they needed to pick a lane. Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1:So you pick something.
Speaker 2:I think they needed either if they wanted to go full on, like, I mean, they could make they could make the mech series, the mech series, but the but the mech series to be like a fun one Mhmm. Essentially. But you can't have a will they, won't they kind of situation. And then at the same time being like, oh, he she's targeted for this this giant terrorist organization. That's why she's so important.
Speaker 2:Yeah. None of it makes any sense. Why why is the military or why is this quote unquote secret organization spending millions of dollars just to protect her? You know?
Speaker 1:Which is crazy. The very first scenario that they got into when she got kidnapped was hilarious to me because because you're talking about, like, the scale of which they want this character. Uh-huh. They're taking a trip to Okinawa. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they get on a a plane.
Speaker 2:Like, seven forty seven jumbo jets.
Speaker 1:Yeah. With a whole crew of other passengers. So it's her school her class.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:They're gonna take this plane. And then it gets hijacked just for this one girl. And I was like, they really want this girl. Yeah. It it really is a grand scale to get this but she's, like, not the only one.
Speaker 1:She's not the only Well,
Speaker 2:no. She isn't. And that's but the but okay. So the only the only ounce or the only, like, reference to another whisper
Speaker 1:The other.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Was the beginning of the very beginning of the first Yeah. And it was that one girl that they, like, that they they saved. That's a good boy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then that was it. Then also all the but so the but then in the sense that they're using all their resources for Chidori, and I'm like, what the hell is going so every other one that's going through this
Speaker 1:thing We gotta work one at a time Yeah. For and we don't have we can't be multitasking.
Speaker 2:I know. Right? It was like and we're it's like, you know what? We only have enough money to just blow it all out to just one particular secret, like like, one special lady. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then that lady but all the other ones, whatever, you know? Good luck, you know?
Speaker 1:You gotta you gotta regroup. You gotta refund. You gotta get the the bank back up. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And that's where I was just like, okay. Now, like I said, twenty years later after watching it again, I'm just like, okay. Now I get it. Now I can see why it's it's not as good as I thought it was
Speaker 1:going to little vindicated. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little vindicated. So yeah.
Speaker 2:But, yeah. And that's why when I was talking to you, I know when you said we texted a little bit and you're like saying, hey. I think I found the I think I found the good mech series. And then I was like, oh, what'd you find?
Speaker 1:So and you know what? Now that you say it and you give me your reason why you liked this show before, I actually get it now because the next series that I actually do think I'm gonna like because I haven't really gotten that heavy into it is Big O because it's funny. And I don't know if it was trying to be funny though.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because at first, it was it was funny, bad funny. It was like,
Speaker 2:Do you like steampunk?
Speaker 1:Do I like steampunk?
Speaker 2:Yes. But
Speaker 1:I like Steve Bloom and Oh, yeah. And I like that Steve Bloom was kinda like not good Yeah. Right away.
Speaker 2:This is the beginning of this.
Speaker 1:Oh, man. He was he was reading those lines like
Speaker 2:On paper.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes. He was reading every word of them at each individual word. And then you could literally feel him get better halfway through the show, and then he became Steve Bloom. And it was just so this show is ridiculous. And I see now what you mean when you're like, you you're in it for the comedy.
Speaker 1:I don't know how it's gonna be moving on because I'm only two episodes in. But I don't know.
Speaker 2:I get it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. With that, I do think Full Metal Panic is justified if it has a special place in your heart.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You were justified either way your character had to take away your preferences or whatever, but
Speaker 2:You don't like we're all judging you. But you know what I like about you though? Like, because like, I think the thing is is that I thought it was gonna be worse because the way that you're because the way you draw a sock and go talking, I would say like you absolutely I mean, you may you may still hate it, but but I the way that that that it was coming up, was thinking like, oh, man, you're gonna tear this series apart, you know?
Speaker 1:I so there's two things about that. Sometimes I'm trying to think if there is a series that I would yes, there are. I would just rip it to shreds. Even thinking. No.
Speaker 1:I thought about I thought if I a couple came to mind. But as a performer, as a musician, I always have in my head that whatever song you're singing could be someone's favorite song. It could be someone's first dance whenever they met their wife or husband, or they could be the song that they the parent used to sing to them when they were
Speaker 2:a kid, blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 1:know that some things have very significant, like, importance to people. So whenever I have someone suggest a show to me or anything at all, I go into it knowing it because this is important to this person. I need to try to find the good things about it. Mhmm. It is harder with mix because it just I'm a I'm a mech hater.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. It's like a already an uphill battle.
Speaker 1:It is. It is. And I try to I have to try to take myself out of it. Like, well, maybe this is one of the exceptions. But yeah.
Speaker 1:No. I I saw good in this one. And I can I can see how, like, if some like, a younger person is watching it for the first time, it's a fun show? It really is a fun show.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I don't even think I I think just period. I don't think I have anything known, like, to punch that up. I think it just is a fun show. It's not my show. Right.
Speaker 1:But I don't hate that I watched it.
Speaker 2:Okay. It was a pain well, the weird thing is, like, because I know we were both struggling on trying to fin
Speaker 1:on finishing it up.
Speaker 2:And, and I, like, I was it's like I was going out of my way to have reasons not to finish
Speaker 1:Oh, same.
Speaker 2:You know? But like, it's, it's very interesting that how much of, like I don't know if if I call it anime growth. I don't know what what I would call it. But, like, it's Yeah. It's very interesting to me that, like, if someone asked me if this was a series that I would if you go in the past of of a series, if I would wonder if I would refer this out to a person Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that and and I don't know I don't know. I know. I don't think I would ever tell them to say, to say yes to this. Mhmm. But I won't say that it's bad.
Speaker 2:Like, it's like, it's garbage. Like, it's not terrible. It's not like a 100% terrible. It's maybe it's not like, my cup of tea anymore. But yeah.
Speaker 2:But who's to say, to be honest Once with
Speaker 1:again, everybody likes what they like and they have their reasons and I respect those.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So favorite moment in the show then?
Speaker 2:The favorite moment I was going oh, man. See, the the problem I have with that is that, like, the the I see the stakes were high but there wasn't really a lot of, like, you know, like action to kinda compensate for that level of, you know, desperation.
Speaker 1:I guess you're right.
Speaker 2:You know? Like, it was, like, it was mostly
Speaker 1:How did you turn an opportunity to say something nice into a critique?
Speaker 2:You know, it sucks. Like, because, like, I mean, I have a website and that's all I do is reviewing, you know? It's tough to kinda turn that off. So, like, it's really weird because like, that's a good point. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Is there anything that comes out for you?
Speaker 1:I told you what my bright light in this series is that hit
Speaker 2:My bright light would be the comedy, but like I'm trying like, what would be the best the best one? I mean, it's just I don't really have I don't really have one for this. I don't.
Speaker 1:I want to go on record and say he's the one that picked
Speaker 2:this show.
Speaker 1:Did. He picked this show. I because I I wanted a different show.
Speaker 2:I was the one because I was looking at rose colored glasses. I was I was like, I had a great time watching this back in the day when I watched it. Now, let's like, let's watch this together. I wanna get your thing because you never watched it. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And I was like, I was wanting to get a series that you never watched. And then when I watched it again, I was like, dear Lord, what am
Speaker 1:I doing? Like, I made a mistake.
Speaker 2:I I made a I made another mistake. But then you know what? But this is what Anime Knuckle Reddy is about though. Mean, it's That's like true. So it's not like so we clearly are gonna be seeing like series.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm sure there's gonna be a series out there that I'm gonna like a lot and you're not gonna like it.
Speaker 1:It's this one.
Speaker 2:No. Oh, you were oh, were acting oh,
Speaker 1:you changed your mind
Speaker 2:on this That yeah. That's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It won't be the other way around because I have quality taste.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. Well, okay. Now, I bet. We'll we'll definitely see and make sure that's gonna be the case.
Speaker 1:Well, they'll try to dislike one of mine.
Speaker 2:Was like, hey. What what series are gonna watch? What's the next one you're gonna see? Oh, so and so hate it. Whatever.
Speaker 1:I just wanna say, shameless plug, the one of the series that I did pick was Gachi Akta, and he loved it. If you haven't seen that episode of anime no Kori, you should check that out. I had nice things to say this time for
Speaker 2:that time. You you have nice things to say technically.
Speaker 1:I have some You had a lot
Speaker 2:of nice things to say about this one, though, when you
Speaker 1:think about that one lady is hot.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. And you said you like mechs, which who
Speaker 1:are you that?
Speaker 2:You said you like
Speaker 1:I did not say that.
Speaker 2:I said that you like the mechs.
Speaker 1:This specific scenario, I like how the Mex feel. How they how they're that's it. Don't put asterisks by that.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna just cut it out. This is the part where it's gonna make it sound like you did say it.
Speaker 1:No. There you go. No. I'm a put I'm a I'm a put disclaimers in the comments. My name is Tiffany.
Speaker 1:I did not approve this message.
Speaker 2:You did not approve this message. No. Well, I mean, it's like yeah. Definitely, I I think it's not it's like I liked I really did like going back to this. I do.
Speaker 2:I did.
Speaker 1:I had to fight the game had that go
Speaker 2:back to it. I had to go back. Because you know it's like when you want you to you don't wanna say, like, you don't wanna say anything bad, but then you know the word when you know it's bad when you say their name twice, like, hey, have you seen so and so? Yeah, it's so and so.
Speaker 1:Oh, I
Speaker 2:see what
Speaker 1:you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, it's I'm trying to look at the I'm looking at the positive on this.
Speaker 1:I am doing a great
Speaker 2:not doing a great job.
Speaker 1:Oh. I thought I was gonna be the mean one in this and I have all kinds of mean notes. Didn't even mean them. You said them all.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, I haven't technically said anything truly mean about it though. I have been saying, like, I didn't I I totally underrate underestimated how bad like, how, like, how bad it is now to me for me now.
Speaker 1:You know? Wanna know. I wanna know what y'all think. I want you to go back. If you've seen it, I want you to go back and rewatch it, especially if it's been a long time since you've seen it.
Speaker 1:Because I wanna know what your thought I want you know what I want you to do? I want you to write a comment in this moment and I want you to tell me your thoughts on it. And then I want you to rewatch it and then come back to that comment and tell me what your current thoughts on it are.
Speaker 2:Man, you're giving them a lot of homework. It's a lot of homework. I'm so sorry. My god. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah. But no. But, yeah, Full Male Panic. Meh. Okay.
Speaker 2:Whatever.
Speaker 1:Scale of one to 10, you had to give it a rating.
Speaker 2:If I had to give it a rating, see the I would give it a I would give it a five. Oh. I would give it a five. It's a it's it's not it's not
Speaker 1:What what show would you get what's the lowest rated show you would say
Speaker 2:Oh, man.
Speaker 1:That you have?
Speaker 2:Out of all the series out there? Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You personally. Has an encyclopedia of random series, by the way. So that is actually probably asking you to this is like
Speaker 2:I didn't like ba ba ba ba ba
Speaker 1:ba. Oh.
Speaker 2:I didn't like that one.
Speaker 1:Okay. What would you rate that one?
Speaker 2:I would give it about a two. Damn.
Speaker 1:That's very low.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Don't didn't like it. Ravemaster was also probably down there for me too. That was the guy who created Fairy Tail Oh. Before Fairy Tail.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And, wasn't a big fan of that, which is surprising that I gave Fairy Tail a chance because Ravemaster was was crazy.
Speaker 1:What'd you what would you rate Fairy Tail
Speaker 2:then? Fairy Tail, I'd You like it? I'd give it a seven. Okay.
Speaker 1:That's a decent. That's a a
Speaker 2:That's okay.
Speaker 1:Score. Yeah. It's a good score.
Speaker 2:But, like, it's there's a lot of weird things that
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. No. Thousand percent.
Speaker 2:I think I'm pretty sure the creator just has a thing about women getting beaten. Like, that's just what it is. It is it is what it is.
Speaker 1:What a crazy
Speaker 2:It is a crazy thing to say. Alright. Hey, watch hey, watch Ravemaster, watch that, and watch Eden what's it called? The the e the third one that he made, the Eden's Space Eden, the one about
Speaker 1:the space.
Speaker 2:Those all three. It is wild.
Speaker 1:That's a crazy thing to be known for.
Speaker 2:Is it? You don't
Speaker 1:want that on your record.
Speaker 2:Can watch anything.
Speaker 1:It's like Hisoka's voice actor. Uh-huh. He plays so many child loving people. Oh, really? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because even in Bungal Stray Dogs, his, like, power they have, like, different powers. His power is to summon this child nurse. And he's always like, dear, honey. And I'm like, you can't keep you can't keep accepting these roles. You can't keep doing this.
Speaker 2:Because, like, the people the people have spoken.
Speaker 1:I bet. You gotta you gotta too many times so that's a crazy thing to be known for.
Speaker 2:It is a crazy thing to be known for. I was just noticing. I was like, man, does he like this? Because some of these people some of these things are like, wow. This is crazy.
Speaker 2:This is real crazy. But anyways. But guys, thank you for stopping by. Thank you for listening and watching us on, Anime No
Speaker 1:Don't forget your homework.
Speaker 2:Yes. Don't forget what Tiff Tiffany gave you on your homework. But if you definitely love the love the content that we're doing, do us a favor, like, follow, subscribe on our YouTube page on Anime Nokuri. And, also, give us a follow or in the a follow also on any of the podcast services that are out there. So once again, this is Davis.
Speaker 1:And I am Tiffany.
Speaker 2:And y'all take it easy.